Times of India
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/news/india/Aryan-Dravidian-divide-a-myth-Study/articleshow/5053274.cms
HYDERABAD: The great Indian divide along north-south lines now stands blurred. A pathbreaking study by Harvard and indigenous researchers on
ancestral Indian populations says there is a genetic relationship between all Indians and more importantly, the hitherto believed ``fact'' that Aryans and Dravidians signify the ancestry of north and south Indians might after all, be a myth.
``This paper rewrites history... there is no north-south divide,'' Lalji Singh, former director of the Centre for Cellular and Molecular Biology (CCMB) and a co-author of the study, said at a press conference here on Thursday.
Senior CCMB scientist Kumarasamy Thangarajan said there was no truth to the Aryan-Dravidian theory as they came hundreds or thousands of years after the ancestral north and south Indians had settled in India.
The study analysed 500,000 genetic markers across the genomes of 132 individuals from 25 diverse groups from 13 states. All the individuals were from six-language families and traditionally ``upper'' and ``lower'' castes and tribal groups. ``The genetics proves that castes grew directly out of tribe-like organizations during the formation of the Indian society,'' the study said. Thangarajan noted that it was impossible to distinguish between castes and tribes since their genetics proved they were not systematically different.
The study was conducted by CCMB scientists in collaboration with researchers at Harvard Medical School,
Harvard School of Public Health and the Broad Institute of Harvard and MIT. It reveals that the present-day Indian population is a mix of ancient north and south bearing the genomic contributions from two distinct ancestral populations - the Ancestral North Indian (ANI) and the Ancestral South Indian (ASI).
``The initial settlement took place 65,000 years ago in the Andamans and in ancient south India around the same time, which led to population growth in this part,'' said Thangarajan. He added, ``At a later stage, 40,000 years ago, the ancient north Indians emerged which in turn led to rise in numbers here. But at some point of time, the ancient north and the ancient south mixed, giving birth to a different set of population. And that is the population which exists now and there is a genetic relationship between the population within India.''
The study also helps understand why the incidence of genetic diseases among Indians is different from the rest of the world. Singh said that 70% of Indians were burdened with genetic disorders and the study could help answer why certain conditions restricted themselves to one population. For instance, breast cancer among Parsi women, motor neuron diseases among residents of Tirupati and Chittoor, or sickle cell anaemia among certain tribes in central India and the North-East can now be understood better, said researchers.
The researchers, who are now keen on exploring whether Eurasians descended from ANI, find in their study that ANIs are related to western Eurasians, while the ASIs do not share any similarity with any other population across the world. However, researchers said there was no scientific proof of whether Indians went to Europe first or the other way round.
Migratory route of Africans
Between 135,000 and 75,000 years ago, the East-African droughts shrunk the water volume of the lake Malawi by at least 95%, causing migration out of Africa. Which route did they take? Researchers say their study of the tribes of Andaman and Nicobar islands using complete mitochondrial DNA sequences and its comparison those of world populations has led to the theory of a ``southern coastal route'' of migration from East Africa through India.
This finding is against the prevailing view of a northern route of migration via Middle East, Europe, south-east Asia, Australia and then to India.
I guess that as time goes by Aryan Invasion theorists will whittle down their 'theory' to "White Caucasian Horse Riding Proto-Indo-European Language Teacher That Digs Black Indian Aboroginal Chicks Changes The Indian Genetic Landscape Theory". :)
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Boss, looks like the first signs of revolt on the greek forum:
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Ubergreek: >>>There was no "colonization of West Eurasia from India"<<<<
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Undergreek: >>>Then where, if not from India, do the West Asians and Europeans come from? A second, later migration out of Africa? I don't think so. And, between about 70K and 45K, there was no straight way north that did not lead through hundreds of miles of desert.
Conversely, you have here DNA data that show Europeans to be close to Indians, and yet closer to a putative ancient subgroup. And, all the data that show many of the Y-DNA strains original to Europeans still reside in India.
The data don't fit a simplistic picture as Fig. 4, because there was 40,000 years of contact with West Asians, which in turn had contact with Europeans, and on top of that (but just on top) you have the IE migrations.<<<<
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Then where, if not from India, do the West Asians and Europeans come from?
GREECE OF COURSE
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ReplyDeleteAIT is dead. R2 basically anchors the entire R line within India. These goras are trying their best to project convoluted (ideological) founder events within Indian society as a way to detract from
migratory founder events in the eurasian periphery (europe). Stephen Oppenheimer was right about the southern route and the single exodus.
My reaction when I got my results from genographic was of surprise and anger! While I was waiting for my results to come in I did a little research and assumed I was R1a - I just made a guess due the frequency of R1a amongst Bengali Brahmins(74%). R2 happens to at 23%. Now I thought to myself - what does that mean? It's not possible for such a high frequency of R1a and R2 to form the same group out of chance. R2 rarely exists outside South and Central Asia and R1a is all over Europe and India. R1a European invaders could not possibly have picked and chosen only R2 people from India to join them and form the Brahmin group amongst Bengalis(unless they now start claiming that the magical 'gora Aryans' did DNA tests 3500 years ago)! If one assumes that the Aryan Invasion theory is correct - it basically means that a handful of unknown horse riders fucked half the female population of India - which would be in the tens of millions even in 1600 BC! Just one of the ridiculous fallouts of this crazy theory. There is way too much proof now that the Aryan Invasion is just a fairytale. The problem is that the goras(and a few dalits for their own perverted political reasons) will probably never accept it no matter what amount of proof is there.
ReplyDeleteAryans were brown skin and not white skin, we f8ucked their women and thats the real truth
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of course, you are 100% correct. The K progenitor clades of R are all seen profusely in India and further East and are conspicuously absent in Europe. Of course, this does not deter our angreji friends who have K migrate directly out of Africa, even though the initial trajectory out of Africa had long elapsed and there is a prolifeartion of C and F along the southern route, while there is no trace of C,F,K in residual Africa. The main joker selling this snake oil is Spencer Wells from Genographic society.
1. ANI proceeded to populate Europe after the appropriate corridor opened up at 45K. The southern Exodus (as explicated by Oppenheimer) had skipped Europe and climactic conditions made colonization of Europe impossible before this time. The present study implies that ANI “emerged from” the initial settlers in South India. Additionally, archaeological traces of AMH in Europe lag behind those in S. Asia by tens of thousands of years. There was no AMH in Europe before 40K and these were subject to replacement from interior Asia at even later dates ( as evidenced by presence of only a single line R without progenitor clades; the other clades – IJ – are Mideastern, with J being Iranian).
2. Talageri has convincingly elaborated on Nichols’ model for westward expansion of IE from Bactria. The more archaic forms are transported west and isolated from further developments. Hittite, Tokharian, and Italo-Celtic all *must have* made a northward exit and only India fits this requirement; all other locations require that these three diverged in completely opposite directions with subsequent backmigration of another dialect into the original location of I-Ir (which was the last to leave).
3. The AIT is categorically ideological and requires the operation of a monotheist/theological “caste system” in Indian society in order to usher in the “Aryans” as the ‘agents of sanskritic culture’. This has been aptly explicated by Marianne Keppens, a colleague of SN Balagangadhara.
Anyway, good to see ol' Dieno get a severe thrashing.
Dienekes is a joke. He refuses to see things in a logical way and holds on dearly to the idea that everything came from Greece. And I don't get the deal with so many goras writing off anybody who opposes the AIT as 'hindutva fundamentalists' - Kivilsid, Oppeheimer and others are definitely not even Hindus for chrissake! I agree that Spencer Wells is one of the main culprits is trying to further propogate the AIT. It amazes me that despite being a geneticist who has done so much research he doesn't even have the balls to mention that the AIT is just a theory with very little backing, and casually states it as fact.
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