Saturday, February 13, 2010

Haplogroup R and Subclades on FTDNA

 
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Haplogroup R and subclades of people tested at FTDNA.
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  1. KishkindhaaFebruary 13, 2010 at 7:38 PM

    R* delimited to India ( despite heavily skewed sampling towards the ubers ). Expect some final hamfisted attacks upon phylogeny and tree structure. Even Convergence Linguistics may get summoned to the kangaroo court.

    Like a man drowning at mid sea.. only this one may take twenty years to complete the inevitable.

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  2. RJFebruary 14, 2010 at 12:39 AM

    Now there are hypotheses of back and forth movement with one migration coinciding neatly with the purported time of the 'Aryan Invasion'. Some have gone to the extent of saying that R1a originated in China. Hmmmmmmmm. Diversity don't matter, variance don't matter, frequency don't matter, genetic science don't matter, and of course all Indians are crazy nationalists. :D

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  3. RJFebruary 14, 2010 at 12:42 AM

    Also, don't forget that Indians have a meagre presence on all testing sites. Would be revealing if a proportionate number of Indians tested.

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  4. KishkindhaaFebruary 14, 2010 at 4:28 AM

    Ah yes, the infamous backmigration argument!! At least, it is a step above the "so what" argument. 50% of uber lines are derived from South Asia in the Holocene.. Another 30% or so (R1b) from Anatolia/ME/Iran/CA. So what!! These facts have no bearing upon culture or language. The Aryan migration happened at 1500 BCE as proven by the missionary and colonial agent ol' Maximilian (great heart that guy). The holocene migration out of India was, therefore, a cultural nonstarter. Them Indians must have been mute and dumb, possibly senile, definitely ignorant of ancient uber horseplay techniques .. Turns to companion, hey, get herr doktor working on selective HFR chromosomal transfer in humans.. wait, wait, go for nonsexual transduction or transfection, I don't want any mention of pili.... ten minutes later, storms into the cubicle.. oh my goodness, that won't work either.. dig up that paper on 'multiple independent origins' and get ol' Francesko working on the Uralic origin of the pili rootstem.

    Now imagine if it was the other way around...

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  5. KishkindhaaFebruary 14, 2010 at 4:46 AM

    Better yet, make it Chinese origin for the 'pili' rootstem. Credo quia absurdum. Don't forget to include a request for formal assistance from the G2 committee.. and get another one of those indian sepoys into a Kluge chair, it'll come in handy later on. We haven't sponsored Leftist movements across the world for nothing. .. what are you waiting for.. preen away.. tut tut..

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  6. RJFebruary 14, 2010 at 5:16 AM

    Off topic - but I think Spencer Wells got stumped by R2. What a jerk off. Him and his never say die talk of 'cro-magnon'.

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  7. KishkindhaaFebruary 14, 2010 at 6:27 AM

    Even cro-magnon is quite late by Interior Asia standards. And, even then, cro-magnon was largely replaced or, rather, crowded out in the Holocene by the Asiatic hordes. Europe has been at receiving end of an overarching gradient of asiatic migrations throughout history. It is only natural that some of these became 'formative' when climactic or other conditions afforded an opportunity. Still, the Quixotes persist with their fantasy of panzer movements into the East.

    I think Spencer knew quite well about the real scenarios and was frightened out of his mind ( or, otherwise, obliviously overconfident ); Heyerdahl had previously speculated about a C Asian origin for the ubers which had percolated into the popular literature. Spencer's maps showed a Ruski "inland turn" for M17 while he had the M173 progenitors originate in C Asia directly from the African exodus. Why not have the M173 progenitors originate handsomely in Europe at the initial?? Because, such a scenario would be so ridiculous as to be unbelievable, so better to twist slightly and hope to stay under the radar. Plus, he had a 1990's Rediff interview where he goes out of his way to support the scoundrel Bamshad and his 1500 bce date. So they have been quite frantically working to keep the Indian scenarios at the fringe since the beginning, while affecting nonchalance and disinterest.

    Underhill met with Witzel at a Harvard "roundtable" and apprised him of the Indian (Hindu Kush) origin for M17 ( which underhill originally discovered ). Since then, witzel's gang has taken the agnostic viewpoint ( while they had been pushing the Bamshad chicanery quite forcefully before ).

    I remember viewing one yt conference where an amateur confronts Spencer about the 'Indian problem' and Spencer offers his balm and assurance.

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