Thursday, November 5, 2009

Haplogroup R1a frequency and distribution map (2009)

This map clearly shows that the expansion time of this haplogroup originating around the Indus Valley.

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11 comments:

  1. KishkindhaaNovember 6, 2009 at 9:54 AM

    Boss,

    It seems very clear. M17 is post-ice age holocene expansion from India. I'm sure the fellows weren't mute, but you never know; our "eminent scholars" might discover a unique 'muteness gene' originating from India.

    Expect more intricate discussions about the origin of blondism in eurostan without any inquiry into where all the dark originating populations were came from; it's a huge "mystery"!! And the imbeciles will quote Nichols without even being aware that Nichols locates the original locus in Bactria aka Afghanistan, with one southern trajectory across Persia into Greece and a Northern trajectory into Eurostan proper. But the Lunar Greekoid lanscape is Eurasian Eden according to these jokers.

    M434 expands "over the Arabian Sea" (from India, of course). And M458 is delimited in Europe as a downstream twig accounting for a vast proportion of M17 in the geographical culdesac.

    But the charade will continue indefinitely.. after all, it is the gora way.

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  2. RJNovember 6, 2009 at 2:19 PM

    Yeah, I've been on a few forums including Dienekes freak show. Like I predicted, many are now ever more firecely defending the whole false linguistics scenario. Pathetic. On one Russian site people are mockingly pointing at the map above and saying "Hey, it looks like this crazy study shows India as the second home, haha, etc..."

    Anyways, the last laugh will be at them.

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  3. RJNovember 8, 2009 at 1:53 PM

    And of course we have the Dravidian brigade and their persistence in bending over for whatever goras say in favor of the AIT. When will they ever learn!

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  4. KishkindhaaNovember 10, 2009 at 11:42 PM

    Dravidian brigade and all other assorted sepoys are waiting for the next ad hoc rationalization from massa. R1a1 may have new persona as uralic marker, mideast marker, ping pong back and forth from ukraine to iran marker - anything but indian marker. Give few days at least, right now massa is running around quite senseless and in shock. How to pump life in stillborn colonial child, what a dilemma??

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  5. RJNovember 11, 2009 at 3:06 AM

    And what about razib from gene expression? He claims that he is not aware of this new paper! This was his reply "...there are always R1a1 papers coming out. Which one?" I posted the link even though I'm sure he's well aware of it, but haven't received a reply as yet. He was the first one to jump and scream "Aryan Invasion in the house!" when the ANI-ASI paper came out. Many on DNA forums and other sites have either become silent and some have resorted to stating that we will never know the true point of origin for ANY haplogroup!

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  6. KishkindhaaNovember 12, 2009 at 7:46 PM

    Ha!! Suddenly all the herrenvolk enthusiasts, "caste system" baiters and "experts", Euro supremacy in Americas enthusiasts, faux Scythio-Aryans, and sundry other characters are feigning ignorance, if not agnosticism. Is it really so difficult to understand that India contains all the progenitor Eurasian lines, that some of these evolved into the R clan; and that R1b has been shown to be Asiatic, R2 is localized to South Asia, and R1a1 diversity indicates a South Asian origin. South Asia even has its own unique Q lines. Underhill, Metspalu, Kivisild, Semino, Chaubey, Singh, Battaglia, Mehdi, Thangaraj, Majumder, Villems, Rootsi, and Sengupta should merit some attention, na, especially after they conduct a multi-million dollar study. Or maybe all of these are secret hindu supporters.

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  7. KishkindhaaNovember 12, 2009 at 7:49 PM

    E. Bryant:

    But, Johanna Nichols (1997, 1998) presents an alternative model for the epicenter of the Indo-European linguistic spread which addresses this eastern homogeneity in a strikingly different manner. Nichols’ Indo-European homeland thesis, which is the most recent homeland theory at the time of writing, places the origin of the Indo-Europeans well to the east of the Caspian Sea, in the area of ancient Bactria-Sogdiana. Since this is adjacent and partly overlapping the area where the Out-of-India/Indigenist school would place the homeland, her theory merits some attention. Nichols’ theory is partly predicated on the geographical relationship between loan words emanating from Mesopotamia into Indo-European via other language families (see Nichols 1997 for details), and partly for her assertion that the principle that area of greatest homogeneity of a language family is indicative of its locus or origin is demonstrably false for the languages of Central Asia. She cites Iranian, which spread over enormous stretches of Asia in ancient times, and Turkic, which likewise spread over major portions of Asia. as examples of languages whose greatest diversity occurred in refuge areas on the western periphery of their point of origin.

    In Nichols’ Bactrian homeland, PIE -expands- out of its locus eventually forming two basic trajectories. The language range initially radiates westward engulfing the whole area around the Aral sea from the northern Steppe to the Iranian plateau. Upon reaching the Caspian, one trajectory expands around the sea to the North and over the steppes of Central Asia to the Black Sea, while the other flows around the Southern perimeter and into Anatolia. Here we have a model of a continuous distribution of PIE without postulating any migrations whatsoever. By the third or second millennium BCE we have the proto-forms of Italic, Celtic, and perhaps Germanic in the environs of Central Europe and the proto-forms of Greek, Illyrian, Anatolia, and Armenian stretching from northwest Mesopotamia to the southern Balkans (1997: 134). Proto-Indo-Aryan was spreading into the subcontinent proper, while proto-Tocharian remained close to the original homeland in the Northeast.

    As this expansion was progressing into Europe, a new later wave of IE language, Iranian, is spreading behind the first language spread. Sweeping across the steppes of Central Asia, the Caucasus and the deserts of north Iran, the Iranian dialects separated the two preceding trajectories — which up till that time had formed a continuum — into two non-contiguous areas(one in central Europe to the North of the Caspian Sea, the other in Anatolia to its south). In time, the two original trajectories coincided in the Balkans. The Southern trajectory had meanwhile formed a continuous chain of Dacian, Thracian, Illyrian, Greek, and Phrygian spreading from west Anatolia to the Danube plain (ibid.: 136) From the northern trajectory, Italic spread to Italy from Central Europe, and Celtic to its historic destination, followed, in time, by Germanic which was followed, in turn, by Balto-Slavic. All these languages spread by expansion — there are no migrations throughout this whole immense chronological and geographical sequence.

    The corollary of Nichols model is that the assumed variegatedness of the western languages is only due to the fact that the later Iranian languages had spread and severed the contiguity of the northern and southern IE trajectories (which had previously formed an unbroken continuity around the east coast of the Caspian) while leaving behind Indo-Iranian and a stranded Tocharian to the east. The variegatedness of western languages is actually due to their situation on the western periphery of the original locus, or homeland. This model might also address the issue of why PIE did not evolve into more dialects in the putative homeland: the later westward spread of Iranian obliterated all of the eastern parts of the proto-continuum except for Indo-Aryan to its east, and the isolated Tocharian to the Northeast.

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  8. RJNovember 25, 2009 at 3:17 AM

    http://robertlindsay.wordpress.com/2009/09/26/new-article-about-the-peopling-of-india/#comment-12963

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  9. UnknownMarch 14, 2011 at 8:32 AM

    Aryan invasion theory is the greatest fraud of last century.
    India is the origin of the people known as Aryans.They migrated only from India to Egypt and Europe.This is damn sure!
    As per Sanskrit text,the Egyptian first Pharaoh Menes was simply Asa Manja of Solar dynasty king of India,who migrated out of India to establish a kingdom because of his misunderstanding with his father,Sagara.
    Aryans from India are founders of civilizations for human race which include Indus valley, Sumerian and Egyptian.
    This is the truth!

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  10. UnknownMarch 14, 2011 at 8:33 AM

    Aryan invasion theory is the greatest fraud of last century.
    India is the origin of the people known as Aryans.They migrated only from India to Egypt and Europe.This is damn sure!
    As per Sanskrit text,the Egyptian first Pharaoh Menes was simply Asa Manja of Solar dynasty king of India,who migrated out of India to establish a kingdom because of his misunderstanding with his father,Sagara.
    Aryans from India are the real founders of civilizations for human race which include Indus valley, Sumerian and Egyptian.

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  11. SaoirseOctober 24, 2021 at 1:27 PM

    Aryan invasion is now backed by genetics... These people coping in here.

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