Thursday, March 3, 2011

Still no trace of an Aryan Invasion

by Koenraad  Elst

Last night, 1 March 2011, I attended a lecture by Cambridge (UK) archaeologist Cameron Petrie on the state of the art in Harappan excavations and the emerging picture of the "Indus" civilization. Interesting, but no real news.

Just a few highlights in this modest blog report. Petrie showed a map of excavation sites used by Michel Danino in "a popular book" on the Indus-Saraswati civilization, next to his own map. Danino's map shows a high concentration of sites along the Ghaggar river, i.e. the remains of the once-mighty Saraswati; but Petrie's map shows a paucity of sites in the same region. That looks serious. But the very next item in his talk reversed this impression. He reported on a survey of Haryana by a Ph.D. candidate from Rohtak who during 2008-10 identified hundreds of as yet unexcavated Harappan sites. His map showed a concentration of "new" sites precisely in the "empty" Ghaggar region... So, this seems to confirm that the Saraswati was an important centre of Harappan civilization after all.

Incidentally, for the most common chronology proposed by the non-invasionist school, a non-urbanized Saraswati basin would not be such a problem. People like K.D. Sethna and Nicholas Kazanas date the Rg-Vedic age to the early Harappan and even pre-Harappan age, in conformity with the lack of an urban setting in the Rg-Veda. But the latter information could also be matched to a Harappan date but in a non-urbanised border region of the Harappan area, as Shrikant Talageri opines. The latter also points out that the Asuras, a term apparently referring in that context to the Iranians, the Vedic Indians' westerly neighbours, are often described as more advanced in material culture. So, locating the Vedic tribes outside the metropolitan area could make sense. And the impression of a west-to-east gradient in Harappan development, confirmed once more by Petrie, would therefore not be a problem for Talageri's position. But many scenarios remain possible.

Petrie purposely avoided the topic of the alleged Aryan invasion. His survey of Harappan history at no point necessitated such a hypothesis, for the story could apparently be told with reference only to purely internal developments. He only agreed to discuss it when asked by the chairman in question time, but remained non-committal. He said the question was so complicated that it would perhaps never be decided.

At that point I proposed to narrow the question down to a degree of simplicity where a field archaeologist would definitely be able to answer. He agreed that Prof. B.B. Lal had made his name in the 1950s and 60s by detailing our knowledge of the Painted Grey Ware and identifying it as characteristic of the invading Aryans moving eastwards, deeper into India; and that Lal had later repudiated any claims of an Aryan invasion and is now a leading light of the non-invasionist school. Lal now says that no archaeological trace of an Aryan invasion has ever been found or identified. Petrie also conceded that Harvard Sanskritist Prof. Michael Witzel had likewise admitted that "as yet" no such arcaheological evidence of an Aryan invasion has been discovered. So, a very simple question would be: did Cameron Petrie, as a field archaeologist fresh from the recentmost excavation, ever come across actual pieces of evidence for an Aryan invasion. He smiled and agreed that he too had no such sensational discovery to announce. So: as of 2011, after many decades of being the official and much-funded hypothesis, the Aryan Invasion Theory has still not been confirmed by even a single piece of archaeological evidence.


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Sunday, September 12, 2010

ISOGG 2010 Y-DNA Haplogroup R

ISOGG 2010 Y-DNA Haplogroup R (link)
(click to enlarge)

It's now official, all R-M124 (previously R2) are now R2a.
• R2 M479
• • R2* -
• • R2a L266, M124, P249, P267

Sunday, August 29, 2010

All R2's may now be known as R2a

An unannounced finding within the supplementary information of a study on R1b suggests that haplogroup R2 may now be known as R2a, and most R* are likely to be R2*.

Besides Pakistan, other South Asian countries were not included in the study(presumably since R1b is mostly absent in South Asia). It is evident that the frequency of the new R2, R2*-M479, increases further east(as with 'R2a') and is highest in northern Pakistan. This finding further corroborates my assumption that R2 originated somewhere near Northern India/Af-Pak. However, it's to early to know for sure since further tests should be done around the entire sub-continent.

Within the study R2*-M479 were found in these places.
  • Portugal, Lisbon - 1%
  • Spain - Andalusia, Sevilla - 1%
  • Tatars (Bashkortostan, Russia) - 3%
  • Italy North - 0.8%
  • Osetins South (South Caucasus) - 4%
  • Pakistan North - 7%
R2-M124 was found in these places:
  • Italy - 2.9%
  • Italy North - 0.8%
  • Greece - 1%
  • Avars (Northeast Caucasus) - 2%
  • Kumyks (Northeast Caucasus) - 3%
  • Megrels (South Caucasus) - 2%
  • Cherkessians (Northwest Caucasus) - 1%
  • Pakistan North - 5%
  • Pakistan South - 10%
  • Palestine - 2%
  • Turkey  - 1%
  • Turkey (Cappadocia) - 2%
  • Iran - 1%
R2-M124 is downstream to R2-M479, so it is assumed that R2 will soon be known as R2a. Here is the new haplogroup R-tree:


Source:

A major Y-chromosome haplogroup R1b Holocene era founder effect in Central and Western Europe

Monday, June 28, 2010

Geographical Distribution of the Subclades of Y-DNA Haplogroup R

Images from Genebase.com: Link

Facts and Common Misconceptions

  • No, haplogroups are not the same as haplotypes.
  • Yes, all people living today fall into one of 18 main Y-DNA haplogroups on their paternal line, and one of 26 main mtDNA haplogroups on their maternal line.
  • No, haplogroups will not show if you are related to someone (unless you count distant relationships from thousands of years ago).
  • Yes, once you know your haplogroup, you will be able to view how your haplogroup migrated out of Africa and retrace their migration routes.
  • No, haplogroups will not add people to your family tree or allow you to trace your surname (that’s the job of STR haplotypes).
  • No, haplogroups will not tell you precise migration routes, it will show a broad migration route and population distribution.
  • No, if you and someone else belong to the same haplogroup, it does not mean that you are closely related.
  • Yes, once you know your haplogroup, you can often fine tune your branch of the haplogroup tree through subclade testing.
  • No, you cannot confirm your haplogroup through STR testing or HVR1 testing.  A Y-DNA STR test and HVR1 test will often allow you to predict your haplogroup, but only a SNP backbone test will confirm the prediction.
  • No, SNP backbone testing will not give you information about sub-clades.  It will confirm your haplogroup.  Once your haplogroup has been confirmed, a subclade panel test for your particular haplogroup will trace your subclade. 
  • Yes, STR testing can give predictions for haplogroups and even some sub-clades, but the backbone test can only confirm the haplogroup, not the sub-clade.
  • Yes, subclades are determined through SNP subclade testing (once your haplogroup has been confirmed)
  • No, your haplogroup will not tell you if you are Welsh or Irish.  It will not tell you your ethnicity.  Although there are associations between ethnic groups and haplogroups, you must remember that haplogroups represent deep ancestry, tracing events from tens of thousands of years ago.  It does not tell you what your ancestors have been up to over the last few hundred years (that’s the job of Y-DNA STR markers, and applications such as Surname Projects, which will be the topic of another blog). 
  • Yes, all people living in the world today are connected in the human phylogenetic tree.  Just like how all people belong to a certain blood group i.e. A, B, AB, O which can be determined through testing, all people also belong to a certain haplogroup which is unique to their ancestry, and their haplogroup type can be determined through genetic genealogy testing. 
From Genebase.com